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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn
[M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290277] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 21:34
esmi  
As of this evening, the Afp Welcomer email has been officially
withdrawn. The appropriate web page has also been amended. If anyone
else wishes to start a similar system themselves, they are, of course,
completely free to do so but I no longer feel inclined to continue.

esmi
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290288 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 22:49
news0606  
esmi wrote:
> As of this evening, the Afp Welcomer email has been officially
> withdrawn. The appropriate web page has also been amended.
>
I'm sorry to hear that. Thanks for sending it as long as you did.

Michael
Re: [I] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290291 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 23:05
sphira9343  
Michael J. Sch=FClke wrote:
> esmi wrote:

> > As of this evening, the Afp Welcomer email has been officially
> > withdrawn. The appropriate web page has also been amended.

> I'm sorry to hear that. Thanks for sending it as long as you did.

What he said.
And I'm also sorry to see so much bad feeling on the group at the
moment. (Yeah, I know, someone's going to say 'but it's always like
that', but at the moment it seems to be at a peak.) I hope we can move
on soon.

CCA
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290301 ] Sa, 24 Juni 2006 23:34
Thomas Zahr  
esmi posted:

> As of this evening, the Afp Welcomer email has been
> officially withdrawn. The appropriate web page has also
> been amended. If anyone else wishes to start a similar
> system themselves, they are, of course, completely free to
> do so but I no longer feel inclined to continue.

Oh, I was looking forward to the next one (due in only two
weeks) ... but seriously, I understand why you do it, thanks
for hanging in there that long.

--
Ciao

Thomas =:-)
<To sig or not to sig, that is the question?>
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290303 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 00:15
Diane L  
esmi wrote:
> As of this evening, the Afp Welcomer email has been officially
> withdrawn. The appropriate web page has also been amended. If anyone
> else wishes to start a similar system themselves, they are, of course,
> completely free to do so but I no longer feel inclined to continue.

That's a damn shame, IMO. It's also perfectly understandable.
Thank you for all the effort you've put in to keeping it going
for so long.

Diane L.
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290317 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 00:34
Julia Jones  
In article <4g5rrpF1lss4fU1 [at] individual.net>, Diane L
<dianenews [at] lindquist.plus.com> writes
>esmi wrote:
>> As of this evening, the Afp Welcomer email has been officially
>> withdrawn. The appropriate web page has also been amended. If anyone
>> else wishes to start a similar system themselves, they are, of course,
>> completely free to do so but I no longer feel inclined to continue.
>
>That's a damn shame, IMO. It's also perfectly understandable.
>Thank you for all the effort you've put in to keeping it going
>for so long.

AOL.
--
Julia Jones
Re: [I] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290318 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 00:55
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
The time: 24 Jun 2006. The place: alt.fan.pratchett. The
speaker: "CCA" <sphira9343 [at] aol.com>

> Michael J. Schülke wrote:
>> esmi wrote:
>
>> > As of this evening, the Afp Welcomer email has been
>> > officially withdrawn. The appropriate web page has also
>> > been amended.
>
>> I'm sorry to hear that. Thanks for sending it as long as
>> you did.
>
> What he said.

Yeah, and me.

> And I'm also sorry to see so much bad feeling on the group
> at the moment. (Yeah, I know, someone's going to say 'but
> it's always like that', but at the moment it seems to be at
> a peak.) I hope we can move on soon.

I don't think anyone's going to say that. I don't remember the
group *ever* being like this, and I joined shortly before
Pterry left and half the group blamed the other half for it...

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
Suggs against sexism. It's Madness gone
politically correct.
Jon Holmes, The Now Show 26/5/06
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290344 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 02:47
FiX01  
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:34:34 +0100, esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:

>As of this evening, the Afp Welcomer email has been officially
>withdrawn. The appropriate web page has also been amended. If anyone
>else wishes to start a similar system themselves, they are, of course,
>completely free to do so but I no longer feel inclined to continue.

One word: fuck!!!

Is there any chance of having you reconsider your decision?

FiX
Re: [I] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290354 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 03:19
Lesley Weston  
in article 1151183127.649458.316910 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com, CCA at
sphira9343 [at] aol.com wrote on 24/06/2006 2:05 PM:

> Michael J. Schülke wrote:
>> esmi wrote:
>
>>> As of this evening, the Afp Welcomer email has been officially
>>> withdrawn. The appropriate web page has also been amended.
>
>> I'm sorry to hear that.

I can't echo that, obviously, but I am surprised. The poll that I did a few
days ago produced results showing that almost everybody likes it with the
amendments that you made, and I think it was only two of us out of however
many afpers there are now who couldn't see the need for it.

>>Thanks for sending it as long as you did.

That I can echo. I do realise that you meant only to be helpful and that the
unfortunate (IMO) way it read was unintentional.
>
> What he said.
> And I'm also sorry to see so much bad feeling on the group at the
> moment. (Yeah, I know, someone's going to say 'but it's always like
> that', but at the moment it seems to be at a peak.) I hope we can move
> on soon.

I hope so too. Perhaps we're having a Midsummer February and it will all go
away now.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290450 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 17:40
Andrew Nevill  
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:34:34 +0100, esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:

>As of this evening, the Afp Welcomer email has been officially
>withdrawn. The appropriate web page has also been amended. If anyone
>else wishes to start a similar system themselves, they are, of course,
>completely free to do so but I no longer feel inclined to continue.
>
>esmi

I want to say publicly that I am saddened by your decision. However, I think
I also understand why you've decided this and I respect those reasons.

I personally feel that there was little wrong with the Welcome email. I
remember receiving it and thinking that it was a good idea and I recall that
I found it helpful and informative. I think newbies will be missing out.

I sorta feel guilty. As Leo said, there's been precious few people who've
spoken up in support of the various maintainers of information. I was one of
those who didn't. I explained why I didn't in a reply to Leo. Maybe I should
have said something. I doubt it'd have made any difference but perhaps I
should have said it anyway. FWIW, esmi, I'm sorry I didn't
--
Andrew Nevill B.F. D.W. FdV. Reply address: anevill [at] btopenworld.com
AFPWorshipper to Spooky, AFPfiance to Sarah (Nanny Ogg) & A********.
AFPUncle to James Vaughan. You cannot value friends as pennies,
nor can you replace them as easily (Spooky in email, Aug 2001.)
Discworld Convention 2006. 18 - 26 Aug 2006 Hinckley Island Hotel
Hinckley, UK www.dwcon.org
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290577 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 21:41
SeekUp  
Andrew Nevill wrote:
>
> I want to say publicly that I am saddened by your decision. However,
> I think I also understand why you've decided this and I respect those
> reasons.
>
> I personally feel that there was little wrong with the Welcome email.
> I remember receiving it and thinking that it was a good idea and I
> recall that I found it helpful and informative. I think newbies will
> be missing out.
>
> I sorta feel guilty. As Leo said, there's been precious few people
> who've spoken up in support of the various maintainers of
> information. I was one of those who didn't. I explained why I didn't
> in a reply to Leo. Maybe I should have said something. I doubt it'd
> have made any difference but perhaps I should have said it anyway.
> FWIW, esmi, I'm sorry I didn't

aol
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290659 ] So, 25 Juni 2006 23:39
MEG  
"esmi" <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote in message news:e7k5ng$1s7h$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
> As of this evening, the Afp Welcomer email has been officially withdrawn.
> The appropriate web page has also been amended. If anyone else wishes to
> start a similar system themselves, they are, of course, completely free to
> do so but I no longer feel inclined to continue.

I am saddened but not surprised by your decision.

That leaves the full responsibility of welcoming newbies to the present
active posters now. Much like it was way back when (btw, thanks for your
warm welcome when I found this place). It won't be as consistent, and it may
get a bit repetitive. Also, I bet you a dollar someone is derided for doing
it wrong.

After all these years and all your involvement in fandom, why have you yet
to learn the first rule?

- MEG
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290776 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 01:15
Karen  
In article <f92dnUxb0LV8mwLZRVnyhw [at] bt.com>, MEG
<nospam_MEG_news [at] djelibeybi.idps.co.uk> writes
>"esmi" <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote in message news:e7k5ng$1s7h$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
>> As of this evening, the Afp Welcomer email has been officially withdrawn.
>> The appropriate web page has also been amended. If anyone else wishes to
>> start a similar system themselves, they are, of course, completely free to
>> do so but I no longer feel inclined to continue.
>
>I am saddened but not surprised by your decision.
>
>That leaves the full responsibility of welcoming newbies to the present
>active posters now. Much like it was way back when (btw, thanks for your
>warm welcome when I found this place). It won't be as consistent, and it may
>get a bit repetitive. Also, I bet you a dollar someone is derided for doing
>it wrong.
>
>After all these years and all your involvement in fandom, why have you yet
>to learn the first rule?

Mostly its been the triumph of hope over common sense. To an insane
degree.

We - as in most of the few remaining afpers amongst L-space Diktator
Corps (Mind Control Section) just each decided that it was time for
common sense to triumph over hope and get out of the firing line.


--
Karen Karen [at] lspace.org
http://www.lspace.org

Discworld Convention 2006, August 18-21, http://www.dwcon.org
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290850 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 11:17
esmi  
on 25/06/2006 22:39 MEG said the following:
<snip>
> After all these years and all your involvement in fandom, why have you yet
> to learn the first rule?

I plead guilty to being a dyed-in-the-wool optimist, m'lud. Well, it's
either that or I'm exceptionally slow on the uptake.

esmi
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290869 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 12:33
Mark Lowes  
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:17:13 +0100, esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
> on 25/06/2006 22:39 MEG said the following:
><snip>
>> After all these years and all your involvement in fandom, why have you yet
>> to learn the first rule?
>
> I plead guilty to being a dyed-in-the-wool optimist, m'lud. Well, it's
> either that or I'm exceptionally slow on the uptake.

Terminal volunteerism and opimism, given a lack of support from
"people who should be involved as it's their f*cking kids I'm helping"
I'm also disentangling myself from stuff at the moment and wondering
whether I bother getting involved in anything again or focus like a
lot of people do purely on being selfish and expecting someone else to
organise things for me.

--
The Flying Hamster <hamster [at] korenwolf.net> http://www.korenwolf.net/
We're all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the stars (O Wilde)
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290901 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 13:46
April Goodwin-Smith  
"MEG" wrote ...
<snip>
> After all these years and all your involvement in fandom, why
> have you yet to learn the first rule?
>

Beware little old men who are smiling?

April.
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #290903 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 13:46
MEG  
"esmi" <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote in message news:e7o98s$j5m$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
> on 25/06/2006 22:39 MEG said the following:
> <snip>
>> After all these years and all your involvement in fandom, why have you
>> yet to learn the first rule?
>
> I plead guilty to being a dyed-in-the-wool optimist, m'lud. Well, it's
> either that or I'm exceptionally slow on the uptake.

You and me both. I can see that the "physical side" of Discworld fandom will
disappear in the next couple of years. That's meets, conventions, photo
archives, even LSpace. That's what will be lost when all those people who
previously volunteered to organise these things suddenly decide that they
can no longer tolerate being unappreciated.

That's sad.
- MEG
Re: [F] Fandom and the group (was Afp Welcome email withdrawn) [message #290916 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 14:22
Gideon Hallett  
MEG wrote:

> "esmi" <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote in message
> news:e7o98s$j5m$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
>> on 25/06/2006 22:39 MEG said the following:
>> <snip>
>>> After all these years and all your involvement in fandom, why
>>> have you yet to learn the first rule?
>>
>> I plead guilty to being a dyed-in-the-wool optimist, m'lud. Well,
>> it's either that or I'm exceptionally slow on the uptake.
>
> You and me both. I can see that the "physical side" of Discworld
> fandom will disappear in the next couple of years.

I don't think it's quite that bad yet; I think that the 'Discworld'
bit may well become less relevant - but I still see a fair number
of people IRL who've not posted to AFP in years (like various cabal
members, or the Irish contingent); I can't see the lack of
AFP-organised meets stopping things like .nl gamesmeets or
Jennifermeets or Bernard's events in Wincanton.

There was a great deal of hand-wringing about the great split of
1998, when atmd was formed; but much of the people who left AFP
still talked to and saw the people who were still there.

What could go, I think, is the regular influx of newbies who turn up
to AFP meets - which is a shame, as a number of them become good
friends.

But a lot of the UK regulars have a decade of shared history; and
that's not going to unhappen, even if the group implodes.

cheers,

Gideon.

--
(((( | ====diogenes [at] freeuk.com.=========================|
o__))))) | - Bringing permed '70s-retro hedgehogs to the =|
__ \'((((( | common people since he got bored one afternoon. =|
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #291022 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 17:38
MEG  
"April Goodwin-Smith" <agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:O0Rng.98238$Mn5.43564 [at] pd7tw3no...
> "MEG" wrote ...
> <snip>
>> After all these years and all your involvement in fandom, why
>> have you yet to learn the first rule?
>>
>
> Beware little old men who are smiling?

That's Rule One which is altogether different to The First Rule of
Volunteering.
The First Rule of Volunteering is: Don't.

- MEG
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #291026 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 17:42
Thomas Zahr  
MEG posted:

> "esmi" <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote in message
> news:e7o98s$j5m$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
>> on 25/06/2006 22:39 MEG said the following:
>> <snip>
>>> After all these years and all your involvement in fandom,
>>> why have you yet to learn the first rule?
>>
>> I plead guilty to being a dyed-in-the-wool optimist,
>> m'lud. Well, it's either that or I'm exceptionally slow on
>> the uptake.
>
> You and me both. I can see that the "physical side" of
> Discworld fandom will disappear in the next couple of
> years. That's meets, conventions, photo archives, even
> LSpace. That's what will be lost when all those people who
> previously volunteered to organise these things suddenly
> decide that they can no longer tolerate being
> unappreciated.

At a guess at least the meets will "only" move off-group.
Which is still sad.

OTOH the tetchiness <sp?> has rarely been this all engulfing,
can't speak of the last millennium obviously.

--
Ciao

Thomas =:-)
<sometimes RL is such a drag>
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #291034 ] Mo, 26 Juni 2006 19:12
Thorsten Ruffle-Brand[1]  
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:46:13 +0100, The Flying Hamster wrote:

> (...) being selfish and expecting someone else to organise things for me.

And, like me, you won't last very long. The notion of having someone else
do the organising is a good one - however, the vast majority of people are
so amazingly crap at it, that I always end up Getting Involved again,
against my better judgement and past experience.

It's fun taking the back seat, though, even only for a short while,
especially if it means you can get drunk while you watch the ship go down.

Cheers,
T.

PS: Do you still do chain maille? Could you do a bib?
[I] Terminal Volunteering Syndrome (was Re: *M* Afp Welcome email withdrawn) [message #291092 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 00:03
Suzi  
In article <slrne9vi85.3aa.hamster [at] delenn.korenwolf.net>, The Flying
Hamster hamster [at] lspace.org wibbled...

> On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:17:13 +0100, esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
> > on 25/06/2006 22:39 MEG said the following:
> ><snip>
> >> After all these years and all your involvement in fandom, why have you yet
> >> to learn the first rule?
> >
> > I plead guilty to being a dyed-in-the-wool optimist, m'lud. Well, it's
> > either that or I'm exceptionally slow on the uptake.
>
> Terminal volunteerism and opimism, given a lack of support from
> "people who should be involved as it's their f*cking kids I'm helping"
> I'm also disentangling myself from stuff at the moment and wondering
> whether I bother getting involved in anything again or focus like a
> lot of people do purely on being selfish and expecting someone else to
> organise things for me.

I know the feeling - I've just had to declare a local group dead as when
I turned up to run the meeting tonight I was the only person there - an
hour in a pub on your own can be a very lonely experience. No doubt,
though, I'll volunteer for the next thing that seems like a good idea
(tm) when that comes along...

....a friend of mine calls it "needing to develop a habit of sitting on
your hands"!

Suzi
Re: [I] Terminal Volunteering Syndrome (was Re: *M* Afp Welcome email withdrawn) [message #291094 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 00:07
Stacie Hanes  
Suzi wrote:
>
> ...a friend of mine calls it "needing to develop a habit of sitting
> on your hands"!

I asked a friend to suffocate me with a pillow the next time it looked like
I was about to volunteer to do anything.
Re: [I] Terminal Volunteering Syndrome (was Re: *M* Afp Welcome email withdrawn) [message #291120 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 02:09
Eric Jarvis  
Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
<GUYng.2826$ii.334 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
> Suzi wrote:
> >
> > ...a friend of mine calls it "needing to develop a habit of sitting
> > on your hands"!
>
> I asked a friend to suffocate me with a pillow the next time it looked like
> I was about to volunteer to do anything.
>

I assume you aren't asking for more volunteers to do the same?

I like volunteering. Not only has a willingness to simply say "hell yes,
that needs doing and if nobody else will I'll give it a go" lead me to
have some of the most entertaining times of my life, it's also been
responsible for three separate careers.

Unfortunately I can't do so very often at present. Volunteering for things
you probably won't be able to do is neither entertaining nor advisable.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I] Terminal Volunteering Syndrome (was Re: *M* Afp Welcome email withdrawn) [message #291126 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 03:24
Stacie Hanes  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
> <GUYng.2826$ii.334 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>> Suzi wrote:
>>>
>>> ...a friend of mine calls it "needing to develop a habit of
>>> sitting on your hands"!
>>
>> I asked a friend to suffocate me with a pillow the next time it
>> looked like I was about to volunteer to do anything.
>>
>
> I assume you aren't asking for more volunteers to do the same?

No, now I'm more than willing to do it myself. Or, you could use a club.

I'm running for office in a professional organization, and I sincerely hope
I lose. If I had money, I'd buy votes for my opponent--she claims not to
want to be elected, either.

I'm from Tennessee: it's not called "The Volunteer State" for nothing.
Re: [I] Terminal Volunteering Syndrome (was Re: *M* Afp Welcome email withdrawn) [message #291146 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 05:34
Arthur Hagen  
Anastasia <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I'm from Tennessee: it's not called "The Volunteer State" for nothing.

I thought it was The Whiskey State?

--
*Art
Re: [I] Rules {was Afp Welcome email withdrawn} [message #291153 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 06:37
April Goodwin-Smith  
"MEG" wrote...
> "April Goodwin-Smith" wrote ...
>> "MEG" wrote ...
>> <snip>
>>> After all these years and all your involvement in fandom,
>>> why have you yet to learn the first rule?
>> Beware little old men who are smiling?
> That's Rule One which is altogether different to The First
> Rule of Volunteering.
> The First Rule of Volunteering is: Don't.
>

Ah. Similar to The Only Rule of Committees - Never
Make a Suggestion.

April.
Re: [I] Terminal Volunteering Syndrome (was Re: *M* Afp Welcome email withdrawn) [message #291160 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 07:21
steelcat  
In article <MPG.1f0a877a940af863989d73 [at] cenote.gkhs.net>,
Eric Jarvis <eric [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote:

>Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
><GUYng.2826$ii.334 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>> Suzi wrote:
>> >
>> > ...a friend of mine calls it "needing to develop a habit of sitting
>> > on your hands"!
>>
>> I asked a friend to suffocate me with a pillow the next time it looked like
>> I was about to volunteer to do anything.
>>
>
>I assume you aren't asking for more volunteers to do the same?
>
>I like volunteering. Not only has a willingness to simply say "hell yes,
>that needs doing and if nobody else will I'll give it a go" lead me to
>have some of the most entertaining times of my life, it's also been
>responsible for three separate careers.

On the other hand, my experience of volunteering at work to do things which
need doing but no-one else wants to do, is that it quickly leads to being
taken for granted and official disapproval when I say, "Well, actually, I'm
quite busy with the stuff I'm *supposed* to be doing..."

This would be a good point to note my sympathy and gratitude for those
volunteers around afp.

Cat.
--
Jazz-Loving Soul Mate and Tolerable Frog to CCA
"The patient was cynical and his pupils were dilapidated."
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #291165 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 08:50
Colette Reap  
"MEG" <nospam_MEG_news [at] djelibeybi.idps.co.uk> wrote:

>"esmi" <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote in message news:e7o98s$j5m$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
>> on 25/06/2006 22:39 MEG said the following:
>> <snip>
>>> After all these years and all your involvement in fandom, why have you
>>> yet to learn the first rule?
>>
>> I plead guilty to being a dyed-in-the-wool optimist, m'lud. Well, it's
>> either that or I'm exceptionally slow on the uptake.
>
>You and me both. I can see that the "physical side" of Discworld fandom will
>disappear in the next couple of years. That's meets, conventions, photo
>archives, even LSpace. That's what will be lost when all those people who
>previously volunteered to organise these things suddenly decide that they
>can no longer tolerate being unappreciated.
>
I'm not even sure that it's a lack of appreciation - it's the fact
that you spend large chunks of your own time trying to do your best to
do something good and then get abuse heaped on you by people who are
not prepared to lift a finger themselves (and have _no idea_ of the
amount of work involved in what you do) but publicly castigate you for
not doing things to exactly suit them.
--
Colette
* "2006: Discworld" * http://www.dwcon.org/ *
* August 18th-21st, 2006 * Email: info [at] dwcon.org *
Re: [I] Terminal Volunteering Syndrome (was Re: *M* Afp Welcome email withdrawn) [message #291169 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 08:40
Eric Jarvis  
Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
<hN%ng.13018$o4.12421 [at] newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
> Eric Jarvis wrote:
> > Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
> > <GUYng.2826$ii.334 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
> >>
> >> I asked a friend to suffocate me with a pillow the next time it
> >> looked like I was about to volunteer to do anything.
> >
> > I assume you aren't asking for more volunteers to do the same?
>
> No, now I'm more than willing to do it myself. Or, you could use a club.
>
> I'm running for office in a professional organization, and I sincerely hope
> I lose. If I had money, I'd buy votes for my opponent--she claims not to
> want to be elected, either.
>
> I'm from Tennessee: it's not called "The Volunteer State" for nothing.
>

Really? So what's the going rate for calling it "The Volunteer State"?

The problem I had when faced with the fact that I either had to stand as a
council candidate or lose a lot of friends, was that there wasn't all that
much choice before the public vote. The best I could manage was to refuse
to stand as a candidate anywhere but the marginal ward I actually live in.
Fortunately I got away with that and was able to honourably lose a closely
fought election.

On the other hand I'm not sure that counted as volunteering. Nobody
actually held a gun to my head at any point, however there are many worse
threats. It was a case of stand for election or face mild sarcasm. I had
no choice.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I] Rules {was Afp Welcome email withdrawn} [message #291170 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 08:42
Eric Jarvis  
April Goodwin-Smith agoodwinsmith [at] shaw.ca wrote in
<9C2og.100305$Mn5.73181 [at] pd7tw3no>:
> "MEG" wrote...
> > "April Goodwin-Smith" wrote ...
> >> "MEG" wrote ...
> >> <snip>
> >>> After all these years and all your involvement in fandom,
> >>> why have you yet to learn the first rule?
> >> Beware little old men who are smiling?
> > That's Rule One which is altogether different to The First
> > Rule of Volunteering.
> > The First Rule of Volunteering is: Don't.
>
> Ah. Similar to The Only Rule of Committees - Never
> Make a Suggestion.
>

The difference being that you can break the latter rule. If and only if
somebody has already made a popular but entirely wrong suggestion already.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I] Terminal Volunteering Syndrome (was Re: *M* Afp Welcome email withdrawn) [message #291193 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 10:21
jester  
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:24:29 GMT, Anastasia
<house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I'm running for office in a professional organization, and I sincerely hope
>I lose. If I had money, I'd buy votes for my opponent--she claims not to
>want to be elected, either.

Both from the DNA school of politics?

--
Andy Brown
The WWW is exciting because Microsoft doesn't own it, and therefore,
there's a tremendous amount of innovation happening. -- Steve Jobs
If you're not failing every now and again, it's a sign you're not doing
anything very innovative. - Woody Allen
Re: [I] Terminal Volunteering Syndrome (was Re: *M* Afp Welcome emailwithdrawn) [message #291197 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 10:50
esmi  
on 26/06/2006 23:03 Suzi said the following:

> I know the feeling - I've just had to declare a local group dead as when
> I turned up to run the meeting tonight I was the only person there - an
> hour in a pub on your own can be a very lonely experience.

BTDTGTTS. As a demonstration of futility, it can be really unpleasant.

<snip>
> ...a friend of mine calls it "needing to develop a habit of sitting on
> your hands"!

I tried knitting. Doesn't work.

esmi
Re: [I] Rules {was Afp Welcome email withdrawn} [message #291262 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 15:41
April Goodwin-Smith  
"Eric Jarvis" wrote ...
> April Goodwin-Smith wrote:
>> "MEG" wrote...
>> > "April Goodwin-Smith" wrote ...
>> >> "MEG" wrote ...
>> >>> why have you yet to learn the first rule?
>> >> Beware little old men who are smiling?
>> > That's Rule One which is altogether different to
>> > The First Rule of Volunteering.
>> > The First Rule of Volunteering is: Don't.
>> Ah. Similar to The Only Rule of Committees - Never
>> Make a Suggestion.
> The difference being that you can break the latter rule. If
> and only if somebody has already made a popular but
> entirely wrong suggestion already.
>

I'm doing it wrong then - I still have to implement
whatever I suggest. In fact, I've sometimes opened
my mouth as you describe, and ended up implementing
the popular but entirely wrong suggestion. argh

April.
Re: [I] Terminal Volunteering Syndrome (was Re: *M* Afp Welcome email withdrawn) [message #291315 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 18:47
Stacie Hanes  
jester wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:24:29 GMT, Anastasia
> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm running for office in a professional organization, and I
>> sincerely hope I lose. If I had money, I'd buy votes for my
>> opponent--she claims not to want to be elected, either.
>
> Both from the DNA school of politics?

Whazzat?

Anyway, it's for Secretary of the SFRA. I was told "Oh, you just do <foo>,
which is quite managable if you have graduate assistant minions to help
you."

Erm.....I *am* a graduate . . .
Re: [I] Terminal Volunteering Syndrome (was Re: *M* Afp Welcome email withdrawn) [message #291318 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 18:58
Brenda  
Anastasia said:

> jester wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:24:29 GMT, Anastasia
>> <house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm running for office in a professional organization, and I
>>> sincerely hope I lose. If I had money, I'd buy votes for my
>>> opponent--she claims not to want to be elected, either.
>>
>> Both from the DNA school of politics?
>
> Whazzat?

Douglas Noel Adams, in "The Hitch-hikers' Guide to the Galaxy", has this to
say about elected office (and I'm paraphrasing from memory here): "Anyone
who wants to become Galactic President should on no account be allowed to
do the job".

> Anyway, it's for Secretary of the SFRA. I was told "Oh, you just do <foo>,
> which is quite managable if you have graduate assistant minions to help
> you."
>
> Erm.....I *am* a graduate . . .

Yes, and they are /assistant/ graduates. I don't see the problem here. :-)


--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] Terminal Volunteering Syndrome (was Re: *M* Afp Welcome email withdrawn) [message #291326 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 19:06
jester  
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:47:57 GMT, Anastasia
<house_damodred [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>jester wrote:
>>
>> Both from the DNA school of politics?
>
>Whazzat?

DNA is Douglas Noel Adams.

There's a bit in one of the Hitchiker's books (etc) that basically says
nobody should be elected to a position of power if they actually want the
job. And therefore only somebody who doesn't the want the job should get
it.

--
Andy Brown
Confidence is the feeling you have before you understand the situation.
Re: [I] Terminal Volunteering Syndrome (was Re: *M* Afp Welcome email withdrawn) [message #291328 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 19:31
alec  
In article <MPG.1f0ae33173149b60989d75 [at] cenote.gkhs.net>,
eric [at] ericjarvis.co.uk says...
>
> The problem I had when faced with the fact that I either had to stand as a
> council candidate or lose a lot of friends, was that there wasn't all that
> much choice before the public vote. The best I could manage was to refuse
> to stand as a candidate anywhere but the marginal ward I actually live in.
> Fortunately I got away with that and was able to honourably lose a closely
> fought election.

Rather like ny father. In the Liberal's darkest days in the Sixties,
when they were down to 6 MPs, he felt it was very important that they
keep the flag flying by standing in as many constituencies as possible.
But the thought of being an MP horrified him, so he managed to arrange
to stand only in Conservative safe seats.
Re: [M] Afp Welcome email withdrawn [message #291336 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 19:56
Blake  
esmi wrote:

> on 25/06/2006 22:39 MEG said the following:
> <snip>
>
>> After all these years and all your involvement in fandom, why have you
>> yet to learn the first rule?
>
>
> I plead guilty to being a dyed-in-the-wool optimist, m'lud. Well, it's
> either that or I'm exceptionally slow on the uptake.
>
> esmi

One way or the other, thank you for all the effort you put in over the
time you kept it up.

I feel priviledged to be one of the last ones to have received the
welcome email. Hmmmm... I wonder if there's a marked for signed
copies. Could be a collector's item. Want to go halvers?
Re: [I] Terminal Volunteering Syndrome (was Re: *M* Afp Welcome emailwithdrawn) [message #291342 ] Di, 27 Juni 2006 20:06
Blake  
Anastasia wrote:

>>Anastasia house_damodred [at] yahoo.com wrote in
>><GUYng.2826$ii.334 [at] newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>:

>>>I asked a friend to suffocate me with a pillow the next time it
>>>looked like I was about to volunteer to do anything.
>
> I'm running for office in a professional organization, and I sincerely hope
> I lose. If I had money, I'd buy votes for my opponent--she claims not to
> want to be elected, either.
>
I'm on the strata council of the building in which I live. I happen to
be the president. Mostly because I didn't duck fast enough. I do feel
that, like politics, it can be a case of - the best one for the job is
the one who doesn't want it.[1][3]

[1] Probably because politicians can be after the 'glory' rather than
wanting to get the job done.[2]
[2] Which is painting most of them with a large ugly brush which does
not always apply.
[3] I sure didn't want the job.
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